Also, god is not necessarily the christian god. The existence of a god does not support the credibility of the christian assertions. That’s a stretch. The god that exists (assuming that he does) maybe something else and of other characteristics.

I agree, you must be pretty messed up to have to be threatened with accountability to decide what’s right and wrong.

Jesus was sinless?
says who? the bible?
I dunno, but I think kicking people selling their wares in the temple was wrong.
I dunno, but questioning why he was left to die on the cross was also wrong.

These are constructs by subjective individuals who want to promote the christian religion. Of course, the tenets will be biased towards further propping up their supposed messiah.

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So let’s get to the meat of my earlier statement, the one about the priests. Priests are men of God. They are ordained under the eyes of your God to lead his followers to salvation. Instead, their idea of salvation is to molest kids for sexual pleasure. Is that good? Well, it’s good for the priests but certainly not good for the children. Child molestation is beyond immoral, it’s just NOT good at all. It doesn’t take God to know that it’s wrong.

Secondly, Osama Bin Laden. So, you say Allah told him to kill all those people, and it was good because he thought so. Tell me, anonymous, what if your kids were among those he killed? Would you have thought differently of his actions? A few of my friends almost got killed because of him. Who should I thank? Allah or your God?

My point is, if people can do such horrible things with God on their side, how difficult would it be to do good without God? It’s so easy to be good, you know. You’d have to be a pretty messed up person to need a God to do good.

the answer is YES! (based on God’s standards)

Next topic please?

If you define “good” without God, you are defining good as you and possibly a select group of others see it. Hitler, Stalin, etc., defined “good” according to their perceptions; their “good” was not the “good” defined by the Lord Almighty, but by flawed (and, in these cases, evil) human perceptions. As the diversity of ideas, the utterly opposing trends, throughout the history of man illustrate, mortals are not capable of establishing an everlasting “truth” or “good”. The “good” of one generation (that ignores the good of God) is terror of the next.

Do not define “good”, but accept the definition as handed down by God, and you hit upon the immortal truth — a truth that does not change according to societal trends and movements, but remains ever constant. God’s truth is the truth that mortals can forever look to, in darkest hour of need or brightest hour of joy; God’s definition of “good” is but one portion of the Truth.

To understand these things, let me ask you just a few questions.

Have you ever told a lie?
Do you like others telling lies to you?

Have you ever taken anything that wasn’t rightfully yours to take?
Do you like others stealing from you?

Have you ever been so angry at someone that you only had bad feelings towards them? Jesus said that since God looks at the heart, He sees murder.

Have you ever looked at another person with sexual desires? Again, Jesus said that since God looks at the heart attitude, He sees adultery.

Just these 4 commandments alone shows that we are lying, thieving, murderous adulterers.

This doesn’t even take into account blasphemy (using God’s name in a manner unworthy of His holy nature and character), or putting other things before God, etc.

But can you see how we are NOT moral?

If you have ever told a lie, but you don’t like others to lie to you, that means you have a double-standard, which is what hypocracy is all about.

The same is true with stealing. If you have ever taken anything that wasn’t rightfully yours to take, that makes you a thief, and yet if you don’t want others to steal from you, that further compounds the problem by making you a hypocrite with a double-standard.

The Bible tells us that “There is NONE good, no not one.” and “All we like sheep have gone astray. We have each one turned to his own way. ” and finally, “ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”

Do we need God in order to be good? Absolutely.

You see, when God came to earth as Jesus, the Son of God, He was sinless. He NEVER broke ANY of God’s commandments, and ALWAYS did everything the Father told him to do.

Being without sin, He was not subject to death (”The wages of sin is death.”), so when he suffered under the hands of Pontius Pilate, and was crucified, died, and was buried, it was not for his own sins, since he didn’t have any, but rather, it was in payment for OUR sins (crimes against God). The Bible goes so far as to say that while He was without sin, yet he actually became sin FOR us, so that we COULD become righteous before God. You see, God loved us so much, that He commends His Love towards us in that while we were still sinners (while we were still considered His enemies), He sent His Son to die for us. “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that ANY body who puts their trust in Him will NOT perish but have everlasting life.”

So, even though we are NOT good, moral people, God loved us anyway, and traded places with us so we COULD become good, moral people.

All God is asking us to do in order to receive this unmerited free gift, is to acknowledge that we truly ARE guilty and turn from our sins (repent), believe what He said (that Jesus die in our place), and allow Him to be the Lord (boss) of our lives.

The pardon is real. The offer is real. But the offer will only last while you still breath. It expires when you do.

How can you tell that it is good if you don’t have any basis that it is good? That’s the main topic here. What is good to you? If that’s what you believe that it is good, then it’s good.

Osama Bin Laden terrorizes in the name of Allah. Because Osama did the right thing, it’s good because he obeyed Allah, it’s bad to the eyes of many, but it’s good to his own belief.

It’s in what you believe. If you’re saved by grace, through faith, then you’ll realize what really is good, and what is not.

For something to be “good”, it has to be the right action at the right time and place. Kind of like if I hired someone to repair my computer. When he shows up, he climbs to the top of my house and processes to reshingle the entire roof.

He could do the greatest job in the world of reshingleing my roof (and it could even use it). But when it is all done, my computer would still not be fixed.

People can do all kinds of “good” things. But if it not the things that God intended for them to do, when they are done, the problem is still not fixed.

A person can live a “moral” life without a believe in God. But they can not live a “godly” life - the one that God intends for them to live - without his guidance.

I have a related post with this question. Try to read it and hopefully it could somehow contribute to your thinking.

Here’s the link.

You can also try to go this site. You’ll find loads of well-written articles there. Just keep an open mind.

Good day ahead. ^_^